Dear Rabbi Rose,See below:I have seen a similar discussion on this topic, in the responsa of Dayan Raskin Shlita (if I remember correctly, the name of Dayan Raskin's Safer is "בשדה השליחות") and this brings me to the following suggestion:If Minhag Anglia (official US policy) hails from Aschkenaz, there should be a leniency to light before the plag - based on the opinion of one of the Rishonim who dwelled in Aschkenaz. Another suggestion: Gather a Minyan for Friday nights in the house of the one saying Kadish and this way she can light after Mincha. You might gain some points with her and gain even more points with the members of your Kehilla: They might want to save on lighting and air conditioning....Wishing you good Shabbos and much הצלחה, מזל, ברכה and שנשמע ונתבשר בשורות טובות,Menasche ScharfSoon to start as reverend atFinsbury Park United Synagogue
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 at 00:24, David Rose <droselondon@gmail.com> wrote:
Many thanks for this Rabbi Scharf,
I did come across this opinion regarding lighting before plag though it seems that we don't rely on it under any circumstances.
This became a topic of discussion last summer when a certain rabbi of students allowed them to daven maariv before a big football match which was before plag and there was uproar on the group. I later came across this source.
Regarding all the other suggestions of davening mincha elsewhere early none of them seem practical.
As much as it is now accepted that ladies like to say kaddish (and seem to take it extremely seriously) our sages seem to have set up shabbos in such a way that men go to shul and women stay at home and light.
And sometimes modern practices cannot always fit into our ancient traditions.
Though no doubt many would disagree.
Wishing you much הצלחה in your new position.
Gut shabbos
Shabbos candle lighting
On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 at 09:55, menasche scharf <menasche.scharf@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Rabbi Rose,
IMHO, please allow me to disagree:
1) The uproar should have been - not about the early Ma'ariv - the uproar should have been that our youth is being led astray by the Greek-originated idol worshipping called "sport", especially English football, which is an addiction that permeates these holy Neshamot in such a way that they are ready to put the Shulchan Aruch aside for the duration of the game... (this is from someone who - when confronted with live football on screen - cannot tear himself away...).
I am not blaming them at all, just giving another perspective for the RCUS to take heed: where we will be in ten years from now and what will be the Sha-alos anno 2035?!
2) As for Davening in Shul, may I remind you that Kabbalat Shabbat was designed in the renaissance age, to be conducted outside the Shul: "בואו ונצא לקראת כלה, לקראת שבת מלכתא". So there should be no qualms in saying this part of the Davening at a private home, during the 11 month-period of Avelus (or a Yahrzeit).
Just as an aide: Is this lady coming to Shul three times a day during the week?
3) Finally, perhaps Rabbi Fine is right in suggesting that the Beth Din should be consulted, as they are adept at trying to ensure that "modern practices can fit into our ancient traditions".
Wishing you a good Shabbat, much הצלחה, מזל, ברכה and שנשמע ונתבשר בשורות טובות,
Menasche Scharf
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On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 at 09:07, David Rose <droselondon@gmail.com> wrote:
Rabbi
While you are of course correct regarding football, I don't think a United Synagogue rabbi speaking out publically against it is going to last very long.
Most of our more observant baalei batim are life-long fans.
We need to know where to pick our battles.
Kol tov and gut choidesh
Dovid
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